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"Do all the vamps on SVM sleep in the buff? I don't recall any other lines about Eric or any sleeping nude. I seem to recall Eric pjs being described."
Good question, jerron. Unless you can prove to your own satisfaction that Bill's nudity was not unusual in the context, I think it would be safe to say it was a contrived device CH used, with malice aforethought and a complete lack of professional integrity, to throw a naked rape victim bodily up against her naked rapist.
3:48 PM
June 24, 2010
Offline@sunny & Jerron
I don't think all vamps sleep in the nude. Why would they if they aren't buried in the ground for some reason?
In ATD when Sookie goes to save Eric as bombs are going off, both he and Pam are in pyjamas, neither are shy about their bodies so being naked during daysleep wouldn't be an issue. Yet they're wearing pjs.
It's just CH as far as I'm concerned using a contrivance.
What's funny is the book nazis complaining about AB using Sookie as a device on TB to move the story along, but they don't see CH doing the same for whatever reason she wants to justify that horrendous episode.
"What's funny is the book nazis complaining about AB using Sookie as a device on TB to move the story along, but they don't see CH doing the same for whatever reason she wants to justify that horrendous episode."
This has been my biggest complaint about hardcore bookie attitudes vis a vie book vs. show. They hate the show so much that they are in blind denial about the books. The cognitive dissonance is too much for them, yet they refuse to even consider the possibility they could be wrong and that CH has sold out her main character worse than AB will ever dream of doing.
And who did CH sell Sookie out to? The Authoritarian, reactionary forces in our culture who hate women and want to control every aspect of our individual lives. This is why they love Bill, because he just goes ahead and does the things they love and applaud. It's a fascist, macho mindset even among women who have internalized and submitted to the brutality of fascist men; they even egg it on. I'm going to find that article by Roseanne Barr where she talks about a certain type of woman, you know the kind, the one who's always up her bosses ass, worshipping him, enabling him at the expense of other women. These are those women. EL bookies need to recognize who they are pinning their hopes on.
4:38 PM
June 10, 2011
OfflineEL should totally prepare themselves for the worst. She is already tearing up what she has meticulously put together. Eric the liar. Eric the abuser. It would be one thing if CH was trying to build up any of the other men in Sookie's life. Sam or Alcide. (Although after DITF, Alcide shouldn't even be considered an option) But Bill?!?! Even without the rapes he treated Sookie like shit. Now you are going to tell me she has healed enough to lay on top of him naked? And she really didn't have to be naked at that.
I didn't like season 4. There were parts I really liked but for the most part I wasn't picking up what AB was putting down. However, AB still showed and told that Bill was a creep just as he always was. I could list examples but we here already know. It was there in plain sight IMO. It sounds like they are about to clean up in S5, which is a very good thing. But a Bill Lover, AB most definately is not!
8:01 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineThere was really no reason for Bill to be naked, nor for him to just be sleeping on the dirt either. I still don't get why he was just laying on the ground like that, it's illogical for a number of reasons. It's not clean, it's not safe, and its uncharacteristically lazy of Bill. He built himself a cubby box at Sookie, couldn't he be arsed to do it at his own house? He couldn't lay down some blankets, so he's not laying in the dirt, being swarmed by god knows what kind of hellish insects grow in the LA heat and humidity? And it's just not safe. He's just laying there in the crawlspace beneath his house, it's not even a real basement. He only has one thin wall between him and daylight. Even if its brick, shit happens, does he really feel that secure? Not only that, he had no way to get out quickly, he was far away from the entrance, with no other exits mentioned. What if someone, like say some FOTS dudes, went into his house during the day, found his not at all well hidden cubby door, and crawled down there with a shitload of silver and stakes? How's Bill gonna get out, he's gotta go past the wall of silver and fanatics if he even wakes up.
And if Eric and Pam didn't even sleep naked, there's no way Bill would.
The other thing about that scene that always bothered me was that one of the assassins was named Hod. Hod is one of the seripha of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, and it's meaning is both 'awe' and 'submission' (because of it's association with prayer). Hod's counterpart Netzach is Victory, while Hod is Submission. Netzach is a conquest through strength, Hod is when you are in awe of a powerful leader (and therefor he conquers you through the notion of his power alone). Hod is also associated both with King David's question "Why do the wicked prosper?", and the punishment of the wicked (the wicked shall be punished, but there is a prelude of pleasantness).
But the point is, did she choose the name Hod on purpose, or was it just some random name, or the name of her mailguy or something? And if she did pick it on purpose, knowing its meanings, what way is she meaning it in her story? Is it Sookie being completely submissive to Bill, is it referring to this prelude of pleasantness before Bill (the wicked) is at last punished? Is she saying the only way for Sookie to recover from her ordeal with Bill is to completely submit before the obstacle of Bill? How is that supposed to help and what is she saying? And where is Netzach in all this? Netzach is the right leg, and Hod is the left, and you need both of to get where you're going, so when the hell is Sookie going to have complete victory? Does it mean ANYTHING? Hod's partner in crime was named Kelvin, which, aside from a unit of temperature measurement, means 'friend of ships' (?da fuck?) or 'narrow water'. Which doesn't really shed any light on this little mystery.
1:07 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineCopied from the convo Jerron, sunny, and I were having in the Season 5 Speculation thread:
All this talk of Bill and Tara reminds me of how in the books, he just happened to buy the strip mall where Tara (Sookie's only real friend other than Sam) had a shop. Bill always did have a lot of money, and no clear source of income (before the database). But it was always a little fishy that of all the strip malls he could have bought, he bought the only one connected to Sookie. And Claudine first appeared in the company of Tara. And in the early books, Tara kept turning up in unexpected places. And Eric said, of Franklin Mott, "I've learned a great deal more about him since seeing him in Jackson" (why the hell is that guy important enough to investigate, the only thing about him that could have stood out was he was with an acquaintance of Sookie's). And Salome was Mickey's maker. And Tara just suddenly ups and marries JB duRone outta nowhere, this guy whom Bill hated (this is the guy Sookie went on a date with and kissed, after ignoring Bill for weeks, and Bill saw them kiss, and violently and sexually attacked Sookie after). Huh. Something to chew on, anyway.
Tara got married while Sookie was at Rhodes in All Together Dead. And Amelia was the one that told Sookie, I remember that (I don't even remember if Tara and Amelia ever even met before). Tara was both frightened for and angry at Sookie for going to the summit in the first place, and was mentally writing Sookie out of her life because of it (then popped up as soon as she got back and was all LOL I'M MARRIED BITCH!). Claudine also didn't want her to go (and she and Amelia didn't like each other).
I reread the bit about the Rhodes bombing, and as Sookie is running around helping cover vamps and rescuing people, she suddenly can't look anymore, and she is drawn (her words) to sit down on a pile of rubble and starts having a good cry. The pile of rubble moves and it turns out its Bill. Bill says (or Sookie thinks that he says) "I knew you would find me", and Sookie observes that he was wearing the clothes she last saw him in the night before (unlike Pam and Eric, who were in pyjamas). And Oooooooo! I just read up on what Bill was doing the night before…Sookie ran into him at the elevator, he again tried to stuffily apologize for what he was 'forced' to do by the Queen, and says he would give everything away to have her back. Sookie tells him 'Not ever gonna happen' and Bill asks "Do you love any man? Quinn? Eric? That moron JB?" and Sookie told him he had no right to ask her anything, and wondered why the hell he even mentioned JB.
1:10 PM
June 10, 2011
Offline1:25 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineJerronBarksdale said:
Isn't the bombing also on the heels of bill coming to Eric's room and he gave Sookie a quick look up down to see if her clothes were on correctly?
Yes, Bill shows up at Eric's room, Sookie goes to the judicial hearings, Sookie goes to meetings at Sophie-Anne's, Sookie tells Cataliades that Baruch likely set the soda-can bomb and that there's something fishy with all these extra suitcases and coffins turning up (the bombs were planted in them), Cataliades doesn't seem to think they're anything to worry about, Jake tells her to go shopping tomorrow, Sookie leaves and sees Bill in the elevator, Bill mentions JB, Sookie goes to bed, Sookie is woken up by Barry screaming in her head that shit is about to go down.
1:29 PM
June 10, 2011
Offline1:36 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineJerronBarksdale said:
So this is also another example of Catliendes being present and not having the ability to read minds and certainly it would have helped after the explosions and now all of a sudden he can. I know I'm not crazy. This made no sense in DR.
I know some people say "Oh he was lying when he said he couldn't read minds!", but that doesn't make sense, really, since there were certain times where he really could have used his ability to save his ass and he didn't. If he was lying about anything, he was lying about being able to read minds and giving that gift to Sookie (although I do like the notion of her having a fairy godmother and a demon godfather). Or he wanted the bombings to happen or was responsible for them in some way.
1:45 PM
June 24, 2010
Offline@Exit - "Oh he was lying when he said he couldn't read minds!", but that doesn't make sense, really, since there were certain times where he really could have used his ability to save his ass and he didn't.
I believe Mr. C. was lying when he said he couldn't read minds. There is something chasing him in DR and I wonder if it has anything to do with past events. Like Sookie he may not have had the proximity to plotters.
He's a lawyer, he's not going to reveal everything he knows.
1:58 PM
June 10, 2011
OfflineExit_Pursued_By_A_Sloth said:
JerronBarksdale said:
So this is also another example of Catliendes being present and not having the ability to read minds and certainly it would have helped after the explosions and now all of a sudden he can. I know I'm not crazy. This made no sense in DR.
I know some people say "Oh he was lying when he said he couldn't read minds!", but that doesn't make sense, really, since there were certain times where he really could have used his ability to save his ass and he didn't. If he was lying about anything, he was lying about being able to read minds and giving that gift to Sookie (although I do like the notion of her having a fairy godmother and a demon godfather). Or he wanted the bombings to happen or was responsible for them in some way.
Which also brings to mind the cluviel d'or. why doesn't tell Sookie about this til now.
Why is there all this supernatural lore floating around and no one ever tells her! Especially Sam who has access to a database and won't let her look at it. Their friendship should trump any supernatural allegenices he may have. I mean who tells someone I have all this knowledge that may and probably would help you but I won't let you see it.
2:29 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineJerronBarksdale said:
Exit_Pursued_By_A_Sloth said:
JerronBarksdale said:
So this is also another example of Catliendes being present and not having the ability to read minds and certainly it would have helped after the explosions and now all of a sudden he can. I know I'm not crazy. This made no sense in DR.
I know some people say "Oh he was lying when he said he couldn't read minds!", but that doesn't make sense, really, since there were certain times where he really could have used his ability to save his ass and he didn't. If he was lying about anything, he was lying about being able to read minds and giving that gift to Sookie (although I do like the notion of her having a fairy godmother and a demon godfather). Or he wanted the bombings to happen or was responsible for them in some way.
Which also brings to mind the cluviel d'or. why doesn't tell Sookie about this til now.
Why is there all this supernatural lore floating around and no one ever tells her! Especially Sam who has access to a database and won't let her look at it. Their friendship should trump any supernatural allegenices he may have. I mean who tells someone I have all this knowledge that may and probably would help you but I won't let you see it.
Shifty shifters who are shifty.
Nobody ever tells Sookie anything she needs to know when she needs to know it, except maybe Pam and Eric.
7:07 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineCopied from the bathroom thread:
Potential bomb in Sookie's Family Tree.
Niall and Rogan were brothers. Niall claimed the sky and Rogan claimed the sea.
Rogan had a son Breandon. Breandon would go to war with Niall.
Niall had at least one fairy wife, Branna, with whom he had at least one son, Dillon.
Dillon wed Binne, and they had the triplets Claudette, Claudine, and Claude (not their real names).
Niall took a human lover, Einin, who he had twin sons, Fintan and Dermot.
Fintan would take Adele Stackhouse as a lover, and have two children with her, Linda and Corbett.
Corbett is Sookie and Jason's father.
Dylan/Dillon means 'son of the wave'. Which is odd, considering he was the Sky Prince's son, that he be named a water-based name. Claude made a point of telling Sookie the meaning of Faery names, like than Colman meant dove. But he didn't say what his father's name meant. Sookie asked Dillon himself, and he said (with a smirk) 'Lightning'. Looking around at the baby name sights, almost all have Dylan/Dillon name meaning something water-related (one, which gives a different origin than the others, has it as lightning).
Niall also didn't like Dillon too much, and wasn't happy in his marriage to his mother Branna, which sounds suspiciously similar to Breandon. A little bit of searching reveals Branna and Breandon have the same basic origin in the language, they both derive from 'Bran' or raven and are variants of Brandon (meaning 'prince'), and Branna can also mean 'Little drop of water'. I suspect Branna was Breandon's sister, and her marriage to Niall was an attempt to keep their families at peace. There was not mention of hostility between Niall and Rogan, and fairies have no problem marrying close relatives, so Rogan might have arranged a marriage between his daughter and his brother.
Dillon is described as having sharp pointy teeth (like Lochlan and Neave) and being a little creepy. And Niall made a point of telling Sookie "We like being out in the sun and sky" in front of Dillon (emphasis was his), implying maybe Dillon isn't wholly from Sky Clan. Sooo…were Claude and Claudine both water and sky faeries?
Niall did say that Sookie was his only living relative. And although she's mostly human, she's also his only descendent that has no potential water fairy in them, she's only human and sky.
So where were/are Claude and Claudine's loyalty? Claude was just left on the wrong side of the Faery Portal when Niall closed it. And in DR, he and the other fairies want to go back home, so was he really left behind voluntarily? Claudine also said Claude was with Niall 'making war' with Breandon when Sookie was in the hospital after the torture, but we never saw him later on when Niall made it to her room. And while Niall was always very kind to Sookie, he was kind of an asshole to everybody else. And even with Sookie, he had some questionable motives. I mean, he sent her a fairy gigolo as a Christmas present, enchanted the situation so they'd screw (presumably so she'll get pregnant), and then made Sookie forget about the whole thing. That's not cool, peepaw, that's not cool.
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