IATM said:

well, i just know i wouldnt want a brother nor a father dating someone like Sookie in real life ( that was my point)..

 

these ppl are too much work. Bipolar ppl are too much in relationships. drug addicts are too much work in relationships.. theorpy.. hell i wouldnt date a drug addict or marry one on purpose just so i can HELP them through a crisis or be their personal guide to recovery… 

 

actually, Book Sookie wasent this victimatized ( Rene killed Gran , not Billy).. if AB wants to have Billy kill Gran then cool.. one of many things that i find annoying is all the victimaization.. of course pimps in Hollywood get girls right off the bus from Kansas & turn them out.. of course some city girls have abuseive family dynamics ( they all dont become drug addicts).. of course the seriel killer preys on the most gulible ( like for example : this one seril killer out in CA was posting in the news paper he was a photograher to lure the girls to a destination.. mostly the victims who showed up were aspiring models from out of state).. of course the situation is sad, that doesnt mean i would want a brother or father dating victims all the time.. besides all the drama is too much ( i mean father issues can become the worse). & i'm talking the basic's with father issues ( like ppl who werent raised with a father because he left vs. ppl who was abused by their father.. then you have the type of ppl who were adopted & want to find out why they were given up.. half the time their biological parent doesnt want to be found.. ppl with issues..

 

& regarding my statement about "Human worth" was in regards because Eric & Billy are supernatural.. because fairy i dont beleive being half fairy is a real species in the REAL world.. i guess as metaphor's Sookie the victim / guliable chick/ Billy the pimp/drug pusher/Eric the Sheriff & the Authority government. so depending on worth since we have to active political tycoons Human & Vampire alike.. they view eachother's worth differently in the story (book wise/ show wise)..as a matter fact Book Eric tell's book Sookie in DAAD "she is more trouble than she is WORTH"..   

Blah blah blah…you said women who were molested were damaged goods, and that is a disgusting and misogynistic  thing to say. And you are still blaming the victim (of course the seriel killer preys on the most gulible), and people have to stop doing that. Don't tell women not to get raped, tell men not to rape. And serial killers don't prey on the most gullible, the group that they prey on most is the vulnerable, the ones that are available, the ones on the fringes of society, the ones that are alone, the ones society has deemed unworthy; prostitutes. And of course they target other groups, but prostitutes are the go-to victim for John Q. Serial-killer. Cause who's gonna care about some dead whore, she was damaged goods anyway.

You keep blaming Sookie for being preyed on, for being forcibly addicted to a drug, for having Stockholm Syndrome, for being abused, and say she's worthless because of it (and don't use book Eric's use of a common idiom as justification for saying Sookie is worthless because that is not at all what he was saying). You're saying she has a flawed character and is a loser because she was victimized. You want to talk about real world equivalents? Fine. Exactly how well do you think things will turn out in a bare-knuckle fight between you and grizzly bear? I'm telling you now, the bear is going to win. But that doesn't make you worthless, or a loser, or not worth anyone's time or love. It's so fucking easy to sit on the sidelines and judge, to say "Oh, well, see, if that guy was smart he would have gouged out the bear's eyes" and "Well, if they're so easily defeated by the bear then they were kind of worthless, weren't they?", but none of them have a bear gnawing at their face. Bill, obviously, is the bear in this scenario. He's a predator by trade, stronger, bigger, and savage. Just as you would have no real chance against a large predator like that, because they can easily overpower you, so too can you just as easily be victimized by a professional predator of the human variety. A boxer would defeat you in fisticuffs, because fisticuffs is all they do.

It's just arrogant as all hell to sit there and say "Well, girl X has history Y where they were victimized by thing Z, they're not deserving of this awesome guy's time and love." Like anybody is fucking perfect. Everybody has issues, everybody has drama. You said it yourself, everyone on that shows kills, talks shit, is a hypocrite, and Sookie isn't any better than anyone else, but somehow she's a loser because she got mauled by a grizzly bear. What kind of insane logic is that?

You say you find all this victimization annoying, but then you go and blame the victim. You say its sad that girls are abducted and forcibly prostituted, but you don't want them around you (because they're damaged goods and all). You are continuing the cycle of shaming the victims, you are continuing the abuse by declaring the victims not as good as "normal girls", that they can never be good enough again, and its vile. Would you actually tell someone who's been molested or raped that, sorry, sweetie, you're damaged goods now and you will never deserve the love of a good man? Because that's what you're saying now.

see Now the response becomes everybody the surviver of something…

& that's cool that you didnt die , but you were traumatized from the event of course & you need to share to the rest of us..  your not in the percentage of the population i was talking about above, but it's nice that you survived your ordeal & can post about it.. because alot of victims dont get that opportunity.. depending on the trauma of course..

IATM said:

1)well i'm not blaming the victim for being victimatized.. shit happens in the world ( i guess everyone is a victim of something just not to the same degree)..

YES YOU ARE. You may not think you are, but you are. Everytime you say predators pick on gullible women, you're blaming the victim. Everytime you time you say 'She shouldn't have fallen for that predator's bullshit', you're blaming the victim. Everytime you call Sookie a LOSER for losing to a fucking grizzly bear, you're blaming the victim. Everytime you call victims of sexual violence 'damaged goods' and don't want them in your family, you're blaming the victim.

2). i do consider Molested ppl damaged ( mentally & stability & emotionally) as for relationships with other ppl.. & i wouldnt want a Father or brother to date someone on purpose knowinly with those type of issues.. too much baggage on a personal level.. sorry if you dont approve of my opinion on the matter.. i feel the same way about dating someone who has a mental disorder ( Bipolar or depression or suicidual ect..ect..ect..).. anyone who needs drugs to stablize their normal disposition or attitude with the general social lifestyle.. i mean i'm not a babysitter nor would i want a man who needs babysitting because of all those issues.. call me cruel or whatever but i'm not intrested in being someone's personal theorpist.. ppl who need prozac or whatever for whatever trauma.. i dont personally have the tolerance level to be that sympathic on a everyday bases because they are in crisis mode everyday..  it's draining..

Everybody has fucking drama. And you don't need to be molested to be emotionally/mentally unstable. If somebody has been molested/raped, it is not their fault but you want them to pay the price. To you, these people have scarlet fucking R's on their chests and should be shunned by society. For what? Being an eight-year old girl unable to stop the pedophile from raping her? Getting drugged by a friend and raped in a car? Getting gang-raped by roving droves of government-sanctioned rape squads?

You say you have a brother. Let's say hypothetically that tomorrow, he gets raped. Would you go up to him and call him damaged goods? Would you call him gullible? In the future, would you discourage any girls from dating him because he's all fucked up forever now, he's never going to recover from his rape, and isn't deserving of being in a loving relationship with a good woman?

And do you not understand how prozac and mood stabilizers work? Nobody is asking you to babysit anyone, and its frankly insulting that you think somebody with trauma in their past is just going to Broken and Crazy Forever. Do you think nobody ever learns to deal with their trauma? That people can't return to 'normal'? You probably know and deal with people every day who are on medication for mental illness or survived sexual abuse, because they don't all spend their days rending their garments and screaming in the streets.

You know, why don't you just call Tori Amos, Fiona Apple, Connie Frances, Henry Rollins, Oprah Winfrey, Fran Drescher, Teri Hatcher, Ashley Judd, Maya Angelou, Billie Holiday, and motherfucking osterby and tell them they'll never recover from their trauma, they'll never be able to make something of their lives or become emotionally stable, and their emotional baggage is too great and they'll always be so broken that everyone around them will have to babysit them for the rest of their lives. You can call it the It Never Gets Better Project.

3).  i never told women to not get raped.. i said the predator always/ or mostly  picks women who are gulible for whatever reason / or predator's pick women who are damaged already because they are easy prey.. that is how a predator works.. it might not be pretty but that is life..

YOU'RE BLAMING THE VICTIM AGAIN. You're saying if she wasn't damaged and if she wasn't gullible she wouldn't have been raped, which is fucking bullshit. "Good" girls and boys get raped all the time. You're deluding yourself if you think it's only gullible, damaged women and men who get raped. Sorry, that's not how rape works.

comparing to Tara for an example : she is suppose to be / represent the smart version of Sookie & still got played & fell for the hype.. does that make her stupid ( NO, does that make her gulible)?? YES, simply because on what MA preyed her on.. she was damaged & feeling unloved & ect..ect..ect..  & some women have mulitple babies from different men because they feel unloved..  some women chit chat with men in prison because of some layer of father issues, or unloved or unwanted issues.. so that makes them an easy target of course.. but it doesnt make the situation right or the predator.. it's just a situation that occurs all over the world..  

Well, if you think Tara is supposed to be the 'smart version of Sookie' and she still got manipulated and abused, why is the lesson you're taking from that that bad shit can happen to smart women at the hands of a skilled predator, and not 'gullible women get abused'.

BECAUSE YOU'RE BLAMING THE VICTIM AGAIN.

i have a problem with the fact that Sookie needs to be "Fixed" because of Billy.. i always looked at drug addicts or women who stay with an abusive man for mulitple reasons some stay , ( some stay because the man is controlling, & has all the money, some stay because they are scared, some stay because of the kids ect..ect..ect..).. but not all accounts are =. & some or more hidoeus then other's.. i understand that Sookie had low self esteem & yada,yada,yada & i understand Sookie's background as well.. it's messed up that Sookie is a Renfield & we shall all look to the heavens since we know s5 will be an uplift to her.. because in the real world Sookie really would have ended up dead.. Thanks God it's fiction.. & so many times from a bookie's perspective she should have been dead.. but CH would have ended the books a long time ago .. & Sookie afterall is the protagonist..

I don't even know what that last paragraph is even supposed to mean.

I don't have any words either.

Yes IATM, you deserve sympathy just like Sookie.  Whatever has made you so provocative is sad.

I really wish this thread would disappear.