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Revisiting Season 3
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February 14, 2012
12:32 AM
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lucasa said:

There's quite a lot of shakiness and haziness in some scenes and flashes in others, but I'm probably thinking of different episodes and seasons.

I noticed that too anna. There were no fires burning or candles flickering. The only  other thought would be that since it is 1945, it could be fires outside from the bombings/liberation?  But it looks like white light/smooth sunlight when the soldier enters.

There is a white light coming through…I listened to the scene with headphones, and heard what sounds like missiles/bombs being dropped, gun shots firing and the crackling of fire.

February 15, 2012
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Thanks Genie, you've inspired me to watch the scene again.

February 18, 2012
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I'm on Night of the Sun…

Just noticed Lala's shirt appears to be the same print as Sookie's nightgown.  How weird I never noticed.  

Bill's "I will leave you" speech rings so false.  Like his clown face.

Ahh…Sookie is a special cunt.

Eric is wheeling and dealing with RE.  Man did it hurt to see him bow to Re…I know it was part of the game.  So awesome to see him turn the truth into a lie.  "I've been searching for you for a 1,000 years…Godric was a punk."

Yes Jason, make that fanger pay.  It's sad to see the lines of prejudice blurred just to protect Bill.

Sookie seems quite adroit at turning things around to stop conversations she doesn't want to have.

Never noticed before the words out of Melinda's mouth about loving JoeLee could have come straight from Sookie's mouth.

Interesting how Tara can separate the dreams from reality but Sookie can't.  Must be all that Bill blood.

Once again Sookie turned the convo when things got heavy.

I wonder if Rutina Welsey's trainer does pro bono work.

Jason is protective of CrystalMeth the same way he probably protected sookie and Tara.

Ruby Jean can't protect Lala if she is drugged…I hope she is back for s5.  

LOL…the Sookie/Bill romance book..empty like her mind.

How nice Bill trains Jessica when he needs her.  I think this is when he started to get her involved with his plans.  

I don't know if Bill is immune to silver.  RE's spurs burned his face.  If only Eric had paused for one more minute.

Cellos then creep sex.  Beauty on top of deprivation.  That's Bill and Sookie for sure.  

Like the song at the end even if it's not my type of music.

February 18, 2012
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OMG jerron, thank you so much for this. Ever since we informed our 'cable provider' [too paranoid to type their name lol] that we would be dumping them for ATT Uverse on the 21st, they've been fucking with us. They disabled the password on our e-mail so I can't log into HBOGo. Bastids.

 

"Never noticed before the words out of Melinda's mouth about loving JoeLee could have come straight from Sookie's mouth"

 

And everything Joe Lee said or did could come straight from Bill. "I owwwwwnnnn youuuu", making money off Melinda's back, and so forth. Plus, there were incest implications with Tommy. Yell

 

"Interesting how Tara can separate the dreams from reality but Sookie can't.  Must be all that Bill blood."

 

"It's not the blood it's the piece of shit vampire she drank it from". Franklin never tried to control Tara into 'loving' him. It's all about intent.

 

"Ruby Jean can't protect Lala if she is drugged…I hope she is back for s5"

 

Me too. We really need HER to be clear-headed. I still suspect she's TAP, or some kind of oracle.

 

"I don't know if Bill is immune to silver.  RE's spurs burned his face.  If only Eric had paused for one more minute."

 

He wasn't at the time. He's had more of Sookie's blood since then, and probably blood from Barry et al as well.

 

"Like the song at the end even if it's not my type of music."

 

Me too. Otep Shamaya. She's awesome.

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February 18, 2012
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Everything is Broken

Creep ass shower scene.  At least in Pyshco he killed her fast.  Bill is slowly killing Sookie.

Are you kidding me! He is letting her help him hide a body.  You think Eric made her help him?  Nope.  And they seems so comfortable and famiiar doing this. Like making the bed together.  I really think she went with him on a killing spree.  

Jesus and Lala throwing game at one another.

Crystal claiming rape.  The words could have come straight from Sookie's mouth if she knew it.

Eric is a Virgo.  And rocking that black tank top.  

TA and AVL have no ideal who RE is and what he is up to?  How could they be so blind? This seems so odd they are so clueless.  

Sam taking care of Tara.  How nice.  I kinda hope they put these two together.  If Tara isn't a vamp that is.  Another reason I hope she isn't.

Tommy is freaky deaky.  LMAO!!  

I wonder who Nan's maker was.  How could she not understand the relationship between Eric and Pam.  This is weird to.

Crystal seemed to have a plan all along for Jason and the Hotshot crew. She knew exactly how to play Jason.  Can we have cross Doppels?

War paint!  Love it!  Love it?  Jesus seems in a rush to get RubyJean back to the home.  Why not let them have a little time together.  She was telling too much.  She had probably been off her meds for 24 hours at this point.  she might have said something she wasn't supposed to.

Holly is giving her survivor story.  I still don't know what to think about Holly.

The scrapbook of terror.  Did we ever discuss the fact that Sookie is looking at scrapbooks in back to back eppy's.

The water scenes.  How did Hadley not tell Sookie about Bill.  Also how could she not know about her son?  

Tommy stealing Arlene's tip.  Loved how Tommy is telling the truth and lying at the same time.

Bill is in faeland.  He walks on water!  Not through it, but on it.  Attacking Claudine. I doubt he didn't know what Claudine was.

All, Pam and her dad.  

Summer and Hoyt…how creepy is she!  

Tara crapping all over Lala and Jesus' relationship.  It's nice she over came her bad situation enough to wish him the best. 

I really liked the Hoyt Jessica build up.  They could have worked as friends.

The AVL sending Eric into battle all alone without support has Bill's blue prints all over it.  Now that we know what we know.  It's a win-win for him.  RE dead great.  Eric dead great.  

Damn Sam beat the crap out of Crystal's daddy. This was the daddy show.  A good one and a lousy one.

I still mourn Frankie!  Loved that strength Tara showed.  Like I would rather be dead than at your mercy.  (It's Toni Morrison's Beloved) 

Franklin showed no interest in killing Jason.  Told him to run along.  Bill would have drained him.  

Another bold face lie to Sookie.  OOOOh he planted the seed for his time warp.  Said it felt like seconds and not hours.  He set it up then.  How did I miss that.

Now pausing to enjoy the weather!  Seriously should have been titled a requiem on capitalism.

February 18, 2012
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"Crystal seemed to have a plan all along for Jason and the Hotshot crew. She knew exactly how to play Jason.  Can we have cross Doppels?"

 

Absolutely. It depends on whose version of the story we're getting but for instance Sam and Tommy have both alternated between Bill and Eric. As Eric doppels, we see the better angels of their nature become more prominent, and their flaws are presented as normal human flaws. As Bill's doppels…well, the opposite is true of course.

 

It's the same with Crystal–at first we saw the innocent victim, and she was, but because of the blood, probably Bill's, she became a perpetrator. Sookie HAS in fact gone on a killing spree beginning with Rene and ending with Debbie. There are many in between, hidden and not.

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February 18, 2012
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seeing as how it was never clearly revealed that Hadley told Eric, Sookie was fae, is it possible that she told him something else?  

February 18, 2012
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I'd be REALLY surprised if Eric didn't suspect she was Fae all along. Hell, that's GOT to be why he tested her telepathy in season 1. SHIT people, we've always known Eric knew LS was the thief. As such, the situation made the ideal justification to get Sookie to cooperate AND as a control test. As a confirmed telepath, he's that much more certain she's Fae. He might even have given her blood to activate other powers, which it did, so that she's better equipped to defend herself.

 

What to make of the scene with Hadley and SA? It could be that he wanted to know how much SA, and thus Bill, knew and if it was their intent to use Sookie. He got his answer–they knew, they were using her.

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February 18, 2012
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That's right Sunny…I can totally believe he was testing to see what they knew.  I wouldn't be surprised either if some other information comes out of this.

February 18, 2012
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"Well, I certainly never expected that" sounds so phony in hindsight. Laugh

 

In case Bill and SA were unaware of Sookie's Fae heritage, I believe Eric never tipped his hand that he even suspected lest he prompt Bill to get wise to Sookie. I believe that's the thing Eric couldn't be sure of and couldn't come straight out and ask. Once he confirmed it with SA's knowledge, I think he went about setting a trap but Bill foiled him by kidnapping Sookie. This allowed Bill the opportunity– Eric wouldn't move against Bill while Sookie was acting as his human/fae shield thus giving Bill the time he needed—, and the MEANS, meaning Sookie— to kill SA and take the crown of La.. He accomplished this before Eric could decisively move against him precisely because he had his grubby paws on Sookie and Eric knew it and Bill didn't care if Eric knew it. In fact it wouldn't have worked if Eric didn't know Bill had Sookie. By becoming king Bill stayed Eric's hand against him because Eric risked treason charges and a 'justifiable' assassination if he openly defied his king.  Who is surprised to find Bill hiding behind the crown?

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February 18, 2012
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Jerron said:

Bill is in faeland.  He walks on water!  Not through it, but on it.  Attacking Claudine. I doubt he didn't know what Claudine was.

Well, well, well…

Bill attacks Claudine and he gets the microwave hands that blast him flat out.  Eric attacks Claudine and well we know what happened.  Why didn't Claudine zap Eric?

February 18, 2012
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I think she wanted to die. She was a puppet being used against her will to hurt her Fairy Goddaughter. For Claudine, there was probably no other way out from under Bill's control except for one of them to die.

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February 18, 2012
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sunny said:

I'd be REALLY surprised if Eric didn't suspect she was Fae all along. Hell, that's GOT to be why he tested her telepathy in season 1. SHIT people, we've always known Eric knew LS was the thief. As such, the situation made the ideal justification to get Sookie to cooperate AND as a control test. As a confirmed telepath, he's that much more certain she's Fae. He might even have given her blood to activate other powers, which it did, so that she's better equipped to defend herself.

 

What to make of the scene with Hadley and SA? It could be that he wanted to know how much SA, and thus Bill, knew and if it was their intent to use Sookie. He got his answer–they knew, they were using her.

I have always suspected as much since I learned what Pam and Eric were saying to each other in Swedish that night. The only way 'Our little zoo is growing' makes any kind of sense is if Sookie is something 'other' and they know it. They are clearly talking about Sookie, it's right after the 'Aren't you sweet?' exchange. To have a zoo, you have to have a collection of many different animals, not just, like, a shitload of pandas. If you have a shitload of pandas you just have a shitload of pandas (a pandamonium). So they knew Sookie wasn't just another human.

But obviously Eric couldn't ask her or say anything to her, because he doesn't know what Bill/QSA knows and he's not going to risk tipping them off. Hence the interrogation scene with QSA and Hadley. He wasn't trying to find out about Sookie, he was trying to find out about the Queen/Bill. The scene is brilliant, because it can perfectly fit either one of those scenarios. But you have to take the way Eric delivers his lines, what you know of Eric, and what you know of the rest of the series to figure out what is really going on.

It's not a betrayal that he knew what she was and didn't say anything. It would have been like seeing a struggling swimmer surrounded by fins, and throwing chum in the water before you figure out if they're sharks or dolphins.

And seeing Pam's interaction with Bill in that scene really makes me believe that this 1901 prostitute flashback is going to feature Bill and Loreana raping/attacking/killing some of Pam's fellow hookers (and possibly Pam herself), and she knows it, and they know she knows it, and that's why Bill tried to get Sookie out of there that first night as fast as he could (lest Pam or Eric tell Sookie how they all met). There's such animosity, derision, and disdain between the two of them. And Pam's line to Bill about Sookie 'Maybe she's afraid of you', and the way she kept macing him, speaks of a very personal and very unpleasant past between them.

February 19, 2012
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@Exit—"It's not a betrayal that he knew what she was and didn't say anything. It would have been like seeing a struggling swimmer surrounded by fins, and throwing chum in the water before you figure out if they're sharks or dolphins."

 

Exactly.

 

Of course his foreknowledge will be used to discredit Eric before the whole story is known.

 

"And seeing Pam's interaction with Bill in that scene really makes me believe that this 1901 prostitute flashback is going to feature Bill and Loreana raping/attacking/killing some of Pam's fellow hookers (and possibly Pam herself), and she knows it, and they know she knows it, and that's why Bill tried to get Sookie out of there that first night as fast as he could (lest Pam or Eric tell Sookie how they all met). There's such animosity, derision, and disdain between the two of them. And Pam's line to Bill about Sookie 'Maybe she's afraid of you', and the way she kept macing him, speaks of a very personal and very unpleasant past between them."

 

This is what I've hoped for with that flashback because it makes perfect sense. Pam's mace was  hinting at rape and murder of women imo.  Of course the narrative can usually be counted on to get hijacked and not follow the path of perfect sense, but maybe this time Eric will be in the drivers seat.

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February 19, 2012
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Thinking about what Eric knew and when he knew it made me look at that pic in osterby's Timeline, Eric biting Hadley.

I do think he suspected long before the S/A/Hadley scene.  Do I think Hadley knew she was part fae, nope.  I think his statement of "I wasn't expecting that." referred to Hadley's admission of kinship.  As has been stated before, he wanted to hear the relationship between SA and Bill. He would have had Hadley's information, by glamour, before he even went into confront SA.  He plans long range donchya know.

Hadley knew about the telepathy, but I don't think she had a clue about the fae part.  That would mean she would know the same about herself and her son and Jason.  OTOH….wonder if that was what Hunter meant by "She knows"?

But he wouldn't know would he?  I think I just confused myselfYell.

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LOL BG. I do that to myself quite frequently.

 

I'm sure Eric could have glamoured Hadley before they ever set foot in the Day Room but I'm not sure it was necessary. Both because he's been investigating the entire time prior and because he was sure he could make her talk without using Bill's preferred methods. I think Eric wanted SA to think he never suspected, when of course he HAD suspected the truth about Sookie. He was only confirming for himself that SA and Bill also knew the truth about Sookie. If they knew, it's a foregone conclusion that there had been a plot afoot to USE her and her blood.

 

As for Hunter, he was telling Sookie his mother 'knows' he's a telepath. How could she not know? SUCH a dancing bear. The poor thing couldn't understand why his mother had Sookie 'test' his abilities. If Bill glamoured Hadley into using Sookie to test Hunter, why didn't he just cut to the chase and glamour her into confessing to Hunter's telepathy? Why bring Sookie into it at all? I can only believe he arranged the meeting for two reasons: 1. To provide a reasoning for why Hadley and Hunter had gone missing.[fear, on the run from vampires] and 2. To maneuver them out in daylight so he could kill Hadley and kidnap Hunter without suspicion being cast on him for doing the deed.

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What you say sounds much clearer.  Agreed that Hadley knew Hunter was telepathic, how could she not.  It's just that stupid phone call she made to Sookie.  If she had warned her to get out of town, then why on earth expect her to be home and phone with a request to meet.  Maneuvering Hadley into a daylight meeting would certainly take the suspicion off Bill.  So, two more part fae in his stable.

February 19, 2012
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What you say sounds much clearer.  Agreed that Hadley knew Hunter was telepathic, how could she not.  It's just that stupid phone call she made to Sookie.  If she had warned her to get out of town, then why on earth expect her to be home and phone with a request to meet.  Maneuvering Hadley into a daylight meeting would certainly take the suspicion off Bill.  So, two more part fae in his stable.

when i read this, i flashed back in my mind to the scene of franklin glamouring tara into calling sookie-bill doppel

using a sookie doppel to attempt a snatch and grab of a fae-while utilizing the tool of a familiar voice…

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I bet Hadley's blood tasted sweet, as would Jason's, and that's why Bill didn't discard her after he procured her. But both Hadley and Jason lack the essential spark. Hadley can do Bill no good except get in his way, so I firmly believe she's dead. Or she COULD be imprisoned like Hunter if he has some use for her. But I keep going back to the anagram Sookie looked at but didn't see right before Hadley called.

 

“New Paving of Parish Road to Begin in May” =

perish by a vain pig fang on wet road  Mon.  [Mon. = Monroe]

 


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@angieq–"

when i read this, i flashed back in my mind to the scene of franklin glamouring tara into calling sookie-bill doppel

using a sookie doppel to attempt a snatch and grab of a fae-while utilizing the tool of a familiar voice…"

 

Totally. I doubt Bill would need to stand right next to her in order to use her like a ventriloquists dummy. The very fact that Hadley called on the house phone and not her cell phone is because Bill knew full well she was at home. He ALWAYS fucks up continuity–and sense.

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