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Bobsgran said:
What has me worried is his statement to Tara in the graveyard. She says something to the effect of "Why''d you save me?" He answers "You know why".
And Tara looked afraid after he said it, like she knew exactly what he meant but is powerless to stop it. Also, if we assume she somehow understood what was going to happen [and Bill's comment is strong evidence that she did] then the expression on her face when she was comforting Lafayette after Jesus' death takes on a whole new meaning. It's like she's thinking 'how will he survive what is to come on top of THIS…'
As for a possible Renfield Tara, what about the several comments Tara has made about Bill's slaves, being Bill's slave, did he own slaves, etc etc.
And wouldn't it be just like TB to use Tara to illustrate how much of a slave Sookie is rather than showing us more clearly through Sookie herself.

And upon Bill's death, Tara's resulting death as a Renfield would show us what could have happened to Sookie had Eric not saved her from enslavement.

FUCK not saving Tara too, I tell ya. I just HOPE like hell this isn't where they are going.
3:47 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineJerronBarksdale said:
But perhaps someone like Ginger whose brain is already fried. She is partically a Reinfeld now.
I'm not really sure Ginger is close to being a Renfield. I don't think you become a Renfield just by being glamoured a lot, I think a vampire has to be actively controlling you. She's brain-addled for sure, but she lacks the slavish devotion of a Renfield. I don't think she would have let Sam bribe his way past her if she was a Renfield, nor do Pam and Eric seem the types to Renfield anybody. She's very loyal and sweet and spazzy, and her interactions between Pam/Eric and Sookie are some of my favorite things about the show. I would love to see a flashback of Ginger's Fangtasia interview.
Exit_Pursued_By_A_Sloth said:
JerronBarksdale said:
But perhaps someone like Ginger whose brain is already fried. She is partically a Reinfeld now.
I'm not really sure Ginger is close to being a Renfield. I don't think you become a Renfield just by being glamoured a lot, I think a vampire has to be actively controlling you. She's brain-addled for sure, but she lacks the slavish devotion of a Renfield. I don't think she would have let Sam bribe his way past her if she was a Renfield, nor do Pam and Eric seem the types to Renfield anybody. She's very loyal and sweet and spazzy, and her interactions between Pam/Eric and Sookie are some of my favorite things about the show. I would love to see a flashback of Ginger's Fangtasia interview.
Hell, we don't even know if Ginger's spazzyness really is the result of glamouring. She could be a natural spaz. LOL. If you ask me, Ginger's screams are always appropriate to the situation. Actually, Gingers responses stand in sharp contrast to Sookie's robot-responses up to the s4 finale. Wouldn't you scream if you— shot someone? had to witness AND clean up a horrible murder scene? —came face to face with a brujo who can summon demons?– bronco busted a coffin? –watched your sweet assed hot boss get tazed by a bunch of scary Feds?
Pam and Eric keep Ginger around because she's a 'sweetheart' to them. She's not scared of them because, hey, she's still here and employed. They could have killed her anytime but her brain has registered that she can trust them. She's not even scared enough of Eric to resist taking a bribe.
6:36 PM
December 31, 2011
OfflineYikes! Tara as 'Southern Gentleman' Bill's 'slave'? Good in-built dramatic conflict but surely that would stretch the boundaries of taste even for this show? And I can't imagine they'd let their lead black actress play a zombie or any kind of brain-fried creature, that would be a one-way ticket to Wrongtown.
Courtly_LoveMachine said:
Yikes! Tara as 'Southern Gentleman' Bill's 'slave'? Good in-built dramatic conflict but surely that would stretch the boundaries of taste even for this show? And I can't imagine they'd let their lead black actress play a zombie or any kind of brain-fried creature, that would be a one-way ticket to Wrongtown.
Thank you for the reassurance. As I said above, at some point they need to give us a good outcome to one of Bill's plots to control every fucking body. The fuckery inherent in such a scenario is mind-boggling and depressing, especially when comparing it to the far-reaching good that can come of it if it goes the other way.
anna said:
Tara's situation at MA's was slave-like, the Odalisque painting was over the bed when she woke up there for the first time.
That is true, and two more points in favor of Tara-Bubba-Renfield foreshadowing. 
8:51 PM
June 10, 2011
OfflineI think he would just want her alive and kicking. Hell, Tara being mad and upset about it would be reassuringly normal for Tara. She would eventually come around, just like they all do. Trade the sun for a moon and stars..
10:31 PM
June 10, 2011
Offline10:53 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineAll this talk of Bill and Tara reminds me of how in the books, he just happened to buy the strip mall where Tara (Sookie's only real friend other than Sam) had a shop. Bill always did have a lot of money, and no clear source of income (before the database). But it was always a little fishy that of all the strip malls he could have bought, he bought the only one connected to Sookie. And Claudine first appeared in the company of Tara. And in the early books, Tara kept turning up in unexpected places. And Eric said, of Franklin Mott, "I've learned a great deal more about him since seeing him in Jackson" (why the hell is that guy important enough to investigate, the only thing about him that could have stood out was he was with an acquaintance of Sookie's). And Salome was Mickey's maker. And Tara just suddenly ups and marries JB duRone outta nowhere, this guy whom Bill hated (this is the guy Sookie went on a date with and kissed, after ignoring Bill for weeks, and Bill saw them kiss, and violently and sexually attacked Sookie after). Huh. Something to chew on, anyway.
11:20 PM
June 10, 2011
Offline11:42 PM
December 31, 2011
OfflineOh dear – Tara and "Massa Compton" – I honestly don't think they'll go there UNLESS the gloves really do come off in S5 re Bill. It's too sick otherwise. I vaguely seem to recall some emerging criticisms of the show last season suggesting it was moving in an uncomfortably racist direction (something about 'magical negroes', not really sure what that means, delighted to be enlightened) so I think they'd avoid at all costs unless, as I say, it's time to reveal Bill once and for all.
One of my favourite scenes between Sookie and Tara was the one on the S3 extras when Sookie shows off the lavender frock and Tara (quite rightly) asks what Bill does for a living and, before you know it, Sookie's trying to call out Tara for being racist against vampires. It was uncomfortable (which was why it was good) but I'm sure Ball deliberately wanted to keep the overt politics to the extras and away from the main show.
So, yeah, my gut feeling is that Bill turning Tara will be too problematic. Sure it may give him brief 'hero' kudos for saving her life (blech) but I can't see how they'd sustain it. Besides, isn't Bill going to be too busy fucking/fucking up/fucking over Eric in S5? He's got bigger (much bigger, juvenile snigger) fish to fry.
Exit_Pursued_By_A_Sloth said:
All this talk of Bill and Tara reminds me of how in the books, he just happened to buy the strip mall where Tara (Sookie's only real friend other than Sam) had a shop. Bill always did have a lot of money, and no clear source of income (before the database). But it was always a little fishy that of all the strip malls he could have bought, he bought the only one connected to Sookie. And Claudine first appeared in the company of Tara. And in the early books, Tara kept turning up in unexpected places. And Eric said, of Franklin Mott, "I've learned a great deal more about him since seeing him in Jackson" (why the hell is that guy important enough to investigate, the only thing about him that could have stood out was he was with an acquaintance of Sookie's). And Salome was Mickey's maker. And Tara just suddenly ups and marries JB duRone outta nowhere, this guy whom Bill hated (this is the guy Sookie went on a date with and kissed, after ignoring Bill for weeks, and Bill saw them kiss, and violently and sexually attacked Sookie after). Huh. Something to chew on, anyway.
I've always said AB took the ripe dramatic potential of CH's [early] books and brought it to fruition. CH dropped these and many other threads, leaving the whole thing to lie there lamely being lame like a wet noodle. CH is too chicken to be truly controversial and cause a big ruckus, so she pulled in her head instead of building on the early promise of her work. AB doesn't have that problem. I've said for almost three years now that what AB is presenting us is deeply subversive. I stand by that and I also believe, have always believed, that he will 'go there' with most of the major bombs that we know about, and some we don't currently suspect. Now that he's just finished laying the foundation of HIS version of the story everything can begin coming to a head. As MicMac said, season five is gonna start paying off the promises of the first four seasons. It’s like, ok, now you know the way the world works, we’ve introduced these separate plotlines, these separate characters, and it’s really starting to come together this season in a big, big way.”
12:16 AM
September 2, 2011
OfflineTara got married while Sookie was at Rhodes in All Together Dead. And Amelia was the one that told Sookie, I remember that (I don't even remember if Tara and Amelia ever even met before). Tara was both frightened for and angry at Sookie for going to the summit in the first place, and was mentally writing Sookie out of her life because of it (then popped up as soon as she got back and was all LOL I'M MARRIED BITCH!). Claudine also didn't want her to go (and she and Amelia didn't like each other).
9:12 PM
October 15, 2011
Offlinesunny said:
anna said:
Tara's situation at MA's was slave-like, the Odalisque painting was over the bed when she woke up there for the first time.
That is true, and two more points in favor of Tara-Bubba-Renfield foreshadowing.
you have officially ruined my night! I completely missed this at MA's.
11:48 AM
June 10, 2011
OfflineTara got married while Sookie was at Rhodes in All Together Dead. And Amelia was the one that told Sookie, I remember that (I don't even remember if Tara and Amelia ever even met before). Tara was both frightened for and angry at Sookie for going to the summit in the first place, and was mentally writing Sookie out of her life because of it (then popped up as soon as she got back and was all LOL I'M MARRIED BITCH!). Claudine also didn't want her to go (and she and Amelia didn't like each other).
Well this would be the time Sookie saved Eric and Pam and not Bill. Could his revenge be getting Tara and JB to marry? Sounds like his m.o.
12:22 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineI reread the bit about the Rhodes bombing, and as Sookie is running around helping cover vamps and rescuing people, she suddenly can't look anymore, and she is drawn (her words) to sit down on a pile of rubble and starts having a good cry. The pile of rubble moves and it turns out its Bill. Bill says (or Sookie thinks that he says) "I knew you would find me", and Sookie observes that he was wearing the clothes she last saw him in the night before (unlike Pam and Eric, who were in pyjamas). And Oooooooo! I just read up on what Bill was doing the night before…Sookie ran into him at the elevator, he again tried to stuffily apologize for what he was 'forced' to do by the Queen, and says he would give everything away to have her back. Sookie tells him 'Not ever gonna happen' and Bill asks "Do you love any man? Quinn? Eric? That moron JB?" and Sookie told him he had no right to ask her anything, and wondered why the hell he even mentioned JB.
So, yeah, definitely an unexploded book bomb there.
12:47 PM
June 10, 2011
Offline1:04 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineJerronBarksdale said:
We are so in the wrong thread! But yeah I think it's a book bomb as well.
I know! I also think Sookie just suddenly feeling like she has to stop, and just happening to sit on Bill is vaguely reminiscent of those times in TB where it seemed like Sookie was compelled by Bill to come to his aid or compelled by Bill to 'save' herself (Rene and the shovel).
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