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11:55 PM
June 10, 2011
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Over in the Season 5 Speculation thread (scroll down to comment 112) in the forum Exit_Pursued_By_A_Sloth brought up the mysterious eyelashes. Sookie, Tara and LaLa seemed to have been suffering from a Mac attack. Mac Eyelash attack that is. I am a former cosmetics girl and makeup artist, so I notice things like this. I can apply makeup on a brown eye so that the iris appears gold, bring out green in a blue iris and blue from a green iris, bring gold out of a blue or green iris and can bring any color mentioned out of a hazel iris. The first rule of eye makeup application is you must frame the eye by defining the eyebrow. A beautifully made up eye looks unfinished when the brow is not defined much the same way that same eye will look unfinished without defining the lashes.
Exit's post reminded me of the Eyebrow affair during season 3. I have no explanation for it, it is more than just different brow pencil colors, there is chemical alteration of the eyebrow colors of Sookie and Bill. Why?
Season 1
Sookie has brows in a normal range of color for a chemically enhanced blonde.
Vampire Bill's brows are strangely grey toned.
But his brows are the same shade when he first met Lorena.
Season 2
Sookie's brows are a shade or two darker.
And Bill's are too.
Season 3
Sookie's brows are the same as season 2, still dark when she talks with Eric on her porch.
Bill's brows have lightened up by the time he torches Lorena at Russell's.
But wait, they are darker when Lorena tortures Bill.
When Sookie finds Bill in the slave quarter his brows have faded.
Bill has drained Sookie in the van and she has drunk the faerie water.
Bill gives Sookie a big ole dose of his blood.
After hate sex with Bill, even lighter.
At the aquarium.
Bill visits faerieland.
After Bill has given Sookie his blood again at Fangtasia.
After Sookie arrived home from Fangtasia.
When Bill kills Sophie-Anne.
Season 4
Sookie's brows are back to normal.
Bill are back to the greyish color.
Does anyone see a pattern that I am missing?
8:09 AM
June 10, 2011
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We've discussed this before and I still have no clue. I do remember talking about how her brows practically disappeared
during the first time she has sex with Bill:
For comparison, they were normal just before she left:
For Sookie, an indicator of sex with Bill? Perhaps we can find those disappearing eyebrows where no sex SHOULD have occurred…IDK
11:49 AM
August 15, 2011
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The changing eyebrow colors are definitely distracting while you watch, especially at the end of S3 on Sookie. I've also noticed that, in addition to Bill, Eric seems to have some change in color as well. It almost looks as if the white make-up they use is brushed over their eyebrows. But other vampires, like Jessica and Pam, don't seem to have this problem. I know Alex has light eyebrows to begin with, but it seems like they are lightened, even when his hair was very dark in S3. I know it's not as drastic as Sookie and Bill, but they do seem to change some as well. Not sure what the correlation is, though.
Are we filing this under the same category as Eric's ever-changing hair?
Dark blonde/light brown:
http://black-celebration.net/c…..fullsize=1
More strawberry blonde:
http://black-celebration.net/c…..fullsize=1
Almost painted over w/ stage make-up:
http://black-celebration.net/c…..fullsize=1
12:26 PM
June 10, 2011
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Question: When you are lying on your back, how does blood from a head wound flow down your forehead, like you've been standing or sitting upright?
Sookie's blood has the same flow problem:
If she was on her back the whole time she was being 'fang' raped why isn't the blood flowing down onto the floor of the van? Did Bill 'slam her up against a wall' and hold her there at some point while he did his 'business'?
12:32 PM
June 24, 2010
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@sunny
You mean like he did Callum in his punk period? The blood tastes sweeter if they are afraid.
12:36 PM
June 10, 2011
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Bobsgran said:
@sunny
You mean like he did Callum in his punk period? The blood tastes sweeter if they are afraid.
Right, and Luis raping Antonia while she hung upright, and based on something Joe Mangie-wolf said recently:
"I think that you're going to be introduced to a side of him that's going to slam you up against the wall and go for it."
12:39 PM
June 24, 2010
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@sunny - Joe Mangie-wolf
ROTFLMAO
1:00 PM
September 2, 2011
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AH! You were a makeup artist, too? So was I, I guess that's why we noticed these things. I didn't say anything about Sookie's lashes at first, because I thought I was just being too…cosmetics-geeky about it. But really, what makeup artist worth their salt is going to let this kind of inconsistency go on for four years? Even if the same makeup artist didn't do Anna's makeup every time (which there's no way of knowing), they all should be able to replicate her look from day to day. Especially the brow/lashes, you whole face can hang off your brow. I know some instances of the brow discrepancy can be attributed to lighting, but its too much to be just that.
Bill's eyebrows have always annoyed me. They're gray (or they were at first). They're so glaringly not the color of his hair its distracting. The guys over at Project Rungay always make fun of him and his incongruous hair/eyebrows when ever he pops up on the red carpet, saying somebody needs to slap the box of Lady Clairol Home-Dye out of his hands.
And I know Anna's not a natural blonde, and would have to get her brows lightened, but that's no reason for the gross inconsistency in them. Plenty of TV stars have dyed hair and brows, and you don't see these kind of chameleon brows on them.
Lala often has exaggerated lashes, but his eyes are usually conspicuously made-up. I think the only time we've seen him without them is during his time in Eric's basement. I've noticed many of the women connected to Bill have the giant doll-lashes all the time (Portia, Katerina, the news lady, and aside from a few episodes in early season 2, Jessica), but then again, so do Pam and Arlene (though they both have heavily made up eyes at all times, so its not as noticeable as with Sookie, who usually isn't all made-up). The interesting thing with Sookie is when she is wearing a lot of make-up, she usually looks like shit (see Dallas pre-Eric's blood, when she had violet lipstick and noticeable blush). And this isn't true for all the female cast, QSA looks good in her warpaint, as does Pam (usually) and Lorena.
I did notice in season 4 there was an…unwillingness to let the women be not pretty. All the women (and Lala) had perfectly made-up faces at all times, even when it was highly unlikely that they should (like Jess after getting burned by the sun, or when Lala was going to bed). I personally found it distracting, if only because TB has never been reluctant to let the women be not pretty. It was distracting in the same way Sookie's wardrobe was distracting, it was just not quite right.
On eyelashes, I went and made this Evolution of Sookie's Lashes In Scratches. You can see that they're noticeably bigger after she gets up and looks in the mirror.
And then this was interesting, it was the bullet sucking scene. Now although I'm quite convinced that it was some kind of Billshit (best bad acting ever), while sucking the bullet out, Sookie's lashes are normal, but after her shower when she's laying on the bed bitching about Eric and failing to put two-and-two together about Bill's blood, her lashes are huge again. Not quite season three big, but big.
And the most glaring lash change was in A Night on the Sun, between when Sookie was at the hospital breaking up with Bill, and when she was at home defending Bill to Jason.
1:14 PM
September 2, 2011
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sunny said:
Question: When you are lying on your back, how does blood from a head wound flow down your forehead, like you've been standing or sitting upright?
Sookie's blood has the same flow problem:
If she was on her back the whole time she was being 'fang' raped why isn't the blood flowing down onto the floor of the van? Did Bill 'slam her up against a wall' and hold her there at some point while he did his 'business'?
I was going to say if he bit her breasts, the blood would have flowed down towards her neck, but most of those blood drips do look like they're dripping down towards the breasts, not away. And they're not all smudged up as they would be if Bill was on top of her the whole time (although there are clear bloody fingerprints on and around her breasts). Some of the blood streaks are from when Lorena bit her, but Lorena only bit her on the right side, not the left, and there's more on the right than there was when Sookie got in the van. There's no way she got those blood stains on both sides unless she was upright at one point, you don't have to be Dexter to know that.
Oh, and notice her mouth is really clean, despite Bill clamping his dirty bloody hand over her mouth. Rather like he didn't want anyone to know her silenced her cries for help.
1:48 PM
June 10, 2011
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Sookie's, and all the lashes on the women when Bill has the upper narrative hand is a reference to 'Doll' conditioning in the mind control lexicon:
http://whale.to/b/doll_imagery.html
This kind of Doll symbolism is everywhere in pop culture. I'm not saying AB is buying into it, I think he's personalizing it through Sookie.
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2:12 PM
June 24, 2010
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sunny said:
We've discussed this before and I still have no clue. I do remember talking about how her brows practically disappeared
@Sunny is it the same post that discussed dolls?
6:39 PM
June 10, 2011
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sunny said:
Question: When you are lying on your back, how does blood from a head wound flow down your forehead, like you've been standing or sitting upright?
Sookie's blood has the same flow problem:
If she was on her back the whole time she was being 'fang' raped why isn't the blood flowing down onto the floor of the van? Did Bill 'slam her up against a wall' and hold her there at some point while he did his 'business'?
I think what we are seeing is the result of Lorena's attack. She bit Sookie while she was standing.
7:11 PM
June 10, 2011
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Exit said:
AH! You were a makeup artist, too? So was I, I guess that's why we noticed these things. I didn't say anything about Sookie's lashes at first, because I thought I was just being too…cosmetics-geeky about it. But really, what makeup artist worth their salt is going to let this kind of inconsistency go on for four years? Even if the same makeup artist didn't do Anna's makeup every time (which there's no way of knowing), they all should be able to replicate her look from day to day. Especially the brow/lashes, you whole face can hang off your brow. I know some instances of the brow discrepancy can be attributed to lighting, but its too much to be just that.
I know right. I can't even tell you how many times I have been shown a picture by a client asking for "that eye"…and the bone structure of my client is not anywhere near what the client's picture is. I can deal with creating shadow to give depth where it doesn't exist and bring out structure with light to change the appearance of the shape of the face.
There we so many different shapes to Sookie's brows it's incredible. Some you can definitely see are pencil, or over pencil…lol. Which I am not opposed to to even out two different shaped brows (my brows have different shape…it runs in the family. I saw a 100 year old picture and said "It's his fault! I have his brows!), but there are some screen caps where I just…frankly laugh.
I cannot imagine a professional make-up department not taking reference photographs to insure continuity. Scenes are seldom shot in sequence, so inconsistency has to be deliberate.
8:00 PM
June 10, 2011
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caitlynmarie said:
The changing eyebrow colors are definitely distracting while you watch, especially at the end of S3 on Sookie. I've also noticed that, in addition to Bill, Eric seems to have some change in color as well. It almost looks as if the white make-up they use is brushed over their eyebrows. But other vampires, like Jessica and Pam, don't seem to have this problem. I know Alex has light eyebrows to begin with, but it seems like they are lightened, even when his hair was very dark in S3. I know it's not as drastic as Sookie and Bill, but they do seem to change some as well. Not sure what the correlation is, though.
Are we filing this under the same category as Eric's ever-changing hair?
Dark blonde/light brown:
http://black-celebration.net/c…..fullsize=1
More strawberry blonde:
http://black-celebration.net/c…..fullsize=1
Almost painted over w/ stage make-up:
http://black-celebration.net/c…..fullsize=1
At least Eric's brows match his hair color. Bill's change from grey to dark to blonde, but his hair is either almost black to decidedly red. Sookie's brows run the gambit of very blonde which would match her hair color if it were natural to black which doesn't match her hair at all.
8:32 PM
July 25, 2011
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I thought something weird was going on with her brows and lashes.
Thanks Osterby and Exit for the analysis!
@Sunny
I'm glad you posted the theories on Doll symbolism and mind control. I remember reading this whole write up over on Vigilant Citizen about Kerli (a pop singer from Estonia's) music video, and how it was a message about mind control experiments being used in the music industry.
It wouldn't surprise me if AB has brought this into TB.
I also remember there was a movie called 'The Cell' back in 2000 about a serial killer who would turn his dead female victims into dolls… bleaching their hair and bodies.
Here's a little write up from Amazon about it
Schizoid serial killer Carl Stargher (Vincent D'Onofrio) has been captured at last, but a neurological seizure has rendered him comatose, and FBI agent Peter Novak (Vince Vaughan) has no way to determine the location of Stargher's latest and still-living victim. To probe the secrets contained in Stargher's traumatized psyche, the FBI recruits psychologist Catherine Deane (Jennifer Lopez), who has mastered a new technology that allows her to enter the mind of another person. What she finds in Stargher's head is a theater of the grotesque.
There's also a condition for this called
Agalmatophilia
a paraphilia concerned with the sexual attraction to a statue, doll, mannequin or other similar figurative object. The attraction may include the desire for actual sexual contact with the objects, a fantasy of having sexual (or non-sexual) encounters with the animate or inanimate instances of the preferred objects, the act of watching encounters between the objects themselves, or sexual pleasure gained from thoughts of being transformed or transforming another into the preferred object. Agalmatophilia may also encompass Pygmalionism (from the myth of Pygmalion) which describes a state of love for an object of one's own creation.
9:35 AM
June 10, 2011
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osterby said:
sunny said:
Question: When you are lying on your back, how does blood from a head wound flow down your forehead, like you've been standing or sitting upright?
Sookie's blood has the same flow problem:
If she was on her back the whole time she was being 'fang' raped why isn't the blood flowing down onto the floor of the van? Did Bill 'slam her up against a wall' and hold her there at some point while he did his 'business'?
I think what we are seeing is the result of Lorena's attack. She bit Sookie while she was standing.
Lorena only bit the right side of her neck. At all times between Lorena's bite and Bill's attack she was upright, and the blood flowed from that wound accordingly:
It's not logical for blood from an attack while she was on her back to behave exactly the same way it did when she was bitten, and remained, in an upright position. At some point in the attack Bill held her upright.
10:32 AM
August 15, 2011
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Back to the eyebrow discussion…..I thought of something else that might be able to explain some of the inconsistencies w/ Sookie. In the books, Sookie describes how much better she looks/feels after she's had vampire blood. Perhaps the eyelashes are a nod to that in some way? I do believe, however, that there is something else going on here, but this could be part of it. As for Bill, well, I have absolutely no idea.
10:35 AM
June 10, 2011
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Do we know if all the episodes are shot in sequence? I mean could they shoot a scene for episode 3 and 5 at the same time? Or is it one at a time? I find this interesting but I also have a nagging feeling that AP does them herself and has to have makeup fix them. She seems to be controlling like that . I remember seeing the episode commentary on s2 and she said that they had to get her another egg because she wouldn't kiss the same one everyone else had kissed. And she wouldn't wear the blue contacts. maybe she is just anal about her brows. But this only works if they shoot completely out of sequence.
I had an eyebrow girl. FLOVED her! I have unmatching brows too and only certain people can work with them. It's wild. I try to do them myself and end up looking like this
or this
. It's hard to find good people to fix my mistakes.
10:38 AM
June 10, 2011
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@Genie–"
@Sunny
I'm glad you posted the theories on Doll symbolism and mind control. I remember reading this whole write up over on Vigilant Citizen about Kerli (a pop singer from Estonia's) music video, and how it was a message about mind control experiments being used in the music industry.
It wouldn't surprise me if AB has brought this into TB."
I'm not real sure about Vigilant Citizen. Yes, he points out the prevalence of this kind of symbolism but I think he's proposing the 'Illuminati' is responsible, and the reason behind the ubiquitous nature of the symbolism is that the 'Illuminati' deliberately employs these images and motifs [that have secret occult powers] in order to brainwash US.
I'm just REALLY not up on all this Illuminati stuff. Yes, I've obviously come across it but the word 'Illuminati' is like a trigger word for people to think you're a nutcase. I do believe elite cabals of old money, occult minded perverts meet in secret to plot ever greater power and wealth [Eyes Wide Shut anybody?] but I doubt "Illuminati" is what they call themselves. DO they use this symbolism to brainwash the masses? They own or can buy off the venues and the symbolism got there somehow. Somebody is making it and using it to a sickening degree, and at the same time the population is on the floor, letting themselves be fucking raped everyday. Plus many young girls and women have internalized the pervasive misogyny of these images and motifs to an astonishing, worrisome degree. I just think it's more nuanced that VC would have it.
The Secret Sun is an interesting site to read about occult symbolism in the media. I think he has a more skeptical attitude than VC:
10:47 AM
June 10, 2011
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One of my brows sits a little higher on my forehead than the other. As far as I know there is no hope for me. LOL.
@Jerron–they shoot scenes out of sequence all the time, but that's what those little clapperboards are for. They snap them in front of the camera at the beginning of filming each scene, and it tells them which scene it is, the date, camera op, etc etc. They have several fail-safe methods to insure continuity, including script supervisors, PA's, on and on. They, including the make-up people, know what they're supposed to be doing for each and every sequence that is shot, no matter how far apart the filming may occur.
I'm sure AP has control of certain things about her character, particularly having to do with what she considers her good health, but eyebrow inconsistency wouldn't be one of them. Them wobbling back and forth between pale and dark is too frequent and extreme to have anything to do with her personal preferences, and too much of a pattern for it to be regarded as a problem with continuity.
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