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10:55 AM
June 10, 2011
Offline10:57 AM
June 24, 2010
OfflineProbably OT but
In cinema theory, Laura Mulvey identifies the male gaze, in sympathy with the Lacanian statement that "Woman is a symptom of man." This means that femininity is a social construct, and that the feminine object, or the object of desire, is what constitutes the male lack, and thus his positive identity.
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From the male perspective, man possesses a gaze because he is a man, whereas, a woman has a gaze only when she assumes the male gazer role, when she objectifies others by gazing at them like a man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…..ist_theory
@Jerron–"I wonder if it could reflect the narrative."
I'm convinced the eyelashes at least are a two-fold clue: 1. It alerts us to the fact that everything Sookie is saying and doing is under Bill's influence. She's his 'doll' in sequences with the exaggerated eyelashes. 2. When we see the big eyelashes we can be pretty sure the narrative as well as Sookie is also under Bill's influence.
Remember my post on the teapot lookey? We could see the items suggestive of food but Sookie could not. What she COULD see were the cosmetics and grooming items. Bill has been trying, and mostly succeeding, in getting Sookie to 'forget to eat' and remember her duty as a woman to groom herself assiduously. Perhaps Bill is one of those men who are offended by the 'rug' not matching the drapes so he telekinetically and/or narratively bleaches her eyebrows and bush when they have sex.
There was a creep in Attwood's The Blind Assassin who only allowed completely hairless women/young girls into his bed. Female hair in any location offended and deeply disgusted him so his women were constantly clipping and shaving. Perhaps the 'disappearing' brows are a symptom of Bill's disgust with Sookie's dark and/or plentiful rug, the one that Eric makes a habit of wetting.
anna said:
Probably OT but
In cinema theory, Laura Mulvey identifies the male gaze, in sympathy with the Lacanian statement that "Woman is a symptom of man." This means that femininity is a social construct, and that the feminine object, or the object of desire, is what constitutes the male lack, and thus his positive identity.
,,,
From the male perspective, man possesses a gaze because he is a man, whereas, a woman has a gaze only when she assumes the male gazer role, when she objectifies others by gazing at them like a man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…..ist_theory
Yes and we have to stop doing that. We have to look at each and every female character as a sister imo, a comrade, OURSELVES. Understand these characters through the prism of our own eyes. Let ourselves FEEL her beatings and rapes and traumas. We'd all have more compassion for Sookie if we did that, and we could stop allowing ourselves to be used as weapons of mass destruction against our own sisters. Millions of women all over the web hate and villify and mock everything about Sookie. And yes this attitude translates into widespread REAL LIFE BLAMING AND SHAMING OF WOMEN BY WOMEN. What if Sookie were real? WHAT IF SHE WERE YOU?
11:38 AM
June 10, 2011
OfflineI'm sorry anna, I wasn't yelling at you, I swear. I just get so emotional over this issue. It enrages me and breaks my heart at the same time, how young women are covertly coerced into making other women the object of ridicule. You see a lot of that shit on gossip sites, they just tear these women down from head to toe and then cackle over the carcass. It's just sickening.
11:51 AM
June 24, 2010
Offline@sunny – …..how young women are covertly coerced into making other women the object of ridicule. You see a lot of that shit on gossip sites, they just tear these women down from head to toe and then cackle over the carcass. It's just sickening."
It's called divide and conquer. As long as there are those women that ridicule other women for their size, choice of spouse, belief systems, metal and physical abilities, addictions and all manner of short comings then TPB win. And TPB are decidedly male. They have the money. Yes there are women with money but very, very few. And even they are ridiculed and subject to vicious rumours. Much more so than men, because there are fewer of them.
12:00 PM
June 24, 2010
OfflineWhere do the young women that viciously attack their sisters for their loser attributes get these attitudes from, besides media is at home. They learn their prejudices on the knees of their parents. We ARE NOT BORN WITH PREJUDICES, we are taught them.
Sorry, but I too am very upset about those kinds of attitudes.
ETA for grammer.
12:25 PM
June 24, 2010
OfflineIt is difficult to have sympathy for those unfortunate to be addicted to whatever substance, have difficulty fitting into society without causing havoc of some sort, but we must try. Doesn't mean we have to like them but there for the grace of god go any of us, to use a hackneyed phrase.
To get back to Sookie, I may be angry at her choices, curse her lack of wisdom, bang my head against the virtual wall, but I cannot condemn her for what she has endured.
12:58 PM
September 2, 2011
Offlinesunny said:
One of my brows sits a little higher on my forehead than the other. As far as I know there is no hope for me. LOL.
@Jerron–they shoot scenes out of sequence all the time, but that's what those little clapperboards are for. They snap them in front of the camera at the beginning of filming each scene, and it tells them which scene it is, the date, camera op, etc etc. They have several fail-safe methods to insure continuity, including script supervisors, PA's, on and on. They, including the make-up people, know what they're supposed to be doing for each and every sequence that is shot, no matter how far apart the filming may occur.
I'm sure AP has control of certain things about her character, particularly having to do with what she considers her good health, but eyebrow inconsistency wouldn't be one of them. Them wobbling back and forth between pale and dark is too frequent and extreme to have anything to do with her personal preferences, and too much of a pattern for it to be regarded as a problem with continuity.
*nods*
All film is shot out of sequence, but you don't usually notice the frequent jarring differences in make-up/sets as you do in TB (there are, naturally, always going to be whoopsies, but they are occasional things, outliers, not something that happens every other episode). If you start half-assing stuff in Hollywood, its noticed and not exactly tolerated.
I wouldn't lick an egg everyone else licked. That's gross. And also some people can't wear contacts, or find them irritating. She bleached her hair blonde and got a fake tan (neither of which I think she likes), so she's obviously willing to alter her looks for a role.
1:28 PM
June 10, 2011
OfflineJerronBarksdale said:
Do we know if all the episodes are shot in sequence? I mean could they shoot a scene for episode 3 and 5 at the same time? Or is it one at a time? I find this interesting but I also have a nagging feeling that AP does them herself and has to have makeup fix them. She seems to be controlling like that . I remember seeing the episode commentary on s2 and she said that they had to get her another egg because she wouldn't kiss the same one everyone else had kissed. And she wouldn't wear the blue contacts. maybe she is just anal about her brows. But this only works if they shoot completely out of sequence.
I had an eyebrow girl. FLOVED her! I have unmatching brows too and only certain people can work with them. It's wild. I try to do them myself and end up looking like this
or this
. It's hard to find good people to fix my mistakes.
Jerron…Todd's Room in Birmingham has the best brow people in the Detroit area!
1:51 PM
September 2, 2011
OfflineMore lash shenanigans:
In Hitting the Ground opening sequence (where she stakes Lorena), Sookie has the doll lashes. But when we return to the action after the title sequence, her doll-lashes are gone (and stay gone until she comes home from the hospital).
Interestingly, there is a new tchotchke waiting for her when she gets home, a glass-and-brass vase that looks vaguely like a hookah on the little corner table by that lamp/chair combo that's always bothered me (it's voyeuristic in a way I can't explain, it's like somebody is watching the room). The screencap is from Everything is Broken, but the vase is there when Sookie is huddled up on the couch with Alcide in ANOTS. A plain small silver vase was there previously.
5:33 PM
June 10, 2011
OfflineOn one of the bluray's commentaries the filming sequence was discussed. Sorry, I can't remember who was doing the commentary. The conversation was about how each episode has a different director, but the director of the next episode may drop in to film a future scene for his episode. The conversation implied that this method is used for the beginning and ending scenes because they overlap.
5:55 PM
September 2, 2011
Offlineosterby said:
On one of the bluray's commentaries the filming sequence was discussed. Sorry, I can't remember who was doing the commentary. The conversation was about how each episode has a different director, but the director of the next episode may drop in to film a future scene for his episode. The conversation implied that this method is used for the beginning and ending scenes because they overlap.
That makes sense. There's no reason why the director for episode 6 wouldn't want to stay consistent with the end of episode 5/opening sequence of episode 6. In fact, I think it would make them more conscious about consistency. And even still, the director is not responsible for the application of Sookie's eyelashes. That would still fall under the purview of the make-up artist.
And I read online TB loses its regular makeup artists halfway through shooting to Mad Men? Is that right? Not that I can blame all the inconsistencies on that, since the replacement artists would still have photographs to work with.
6:36 PM
June 10, 2011
OfflineI totally agree with you.
I have a distant cousin who is an production designer for films. I don't know if you are a Twilight fan or not, but he has an "about the production" segment of the blyray of Twilight Saga: Eclipse. He walks the viewer through the set he built for the Cullin home (they couldn't use the private home again) describing the attention to detail, the photographs taken in past productions which he used as reference for the Eclipse production. He speaks of how they will prepare for dismantling the set to store for the next film. He says they will photograph and catalog each item, from the floor to the ceiling and all the items in between so it may be re-assembled for the next film. I can only guess this is standard procedure for any re-curing production, and a television production certainly is. It would stand to reason that such details as lashes and brows and makeup would get the same attention.
Would TB hire a makeup team who couldn't look at a picture and replicate a look? I think not. How many fashion shows have the same makeup on each girl walking a runway? There is most always a team of make-up artists. And they can send all the models out with carbon copy make-up!
7:01 PM
July 25, 2011
Offlinesunny said:
@Genie–"
@Sunny
I'm glad you posted the theories on Doll symbolism and mind control. I remember reading this whole write up over on Vigilant Citizen about Kerli (a pop singer from Estonia's) music video, and how it was a message about mind control experiments being used in the music industry.
It wouldn't surprise me if AB has brought this into TB."
I'm not real sure about Vigilant Citizen. Yes, he points out the prevalence of this kind of symbolism but I think he's proposing the 'Illuminati' is responsible, and the reason behind the ubiquitous nature of the symbolism is that the 'Illuminati' deliberately employs these images and motifs [that have secret occult powers] in order to brainwash US.
I'm just REALLY not up on all this Illuminati stuff. Yes, I've obviously come across it but the word 'Illuminati' is like a trigger word for people to think you're a nutcase. I do believe elite cabals of old money, occult minded perverts meet in secret to plot ever greater power and wealth [Eyes Wide Shut anybody?] but I doubt "Illuminati" is what they call themselves. DO they use this symbolism to brainwash the masses? They own or can buy off the venues and the symbolism got there somehow. Somebody is making it and using it to a sickening degree, and at the same time the population is on the floor, letting themselves be fucking raped everyday. Plus many young girls and women have internalized the pervasive misogyny of these images and motifs to an astonishing, worrisome degree. I just think it's more nuanced that VC would have it.
The Secret Sun is an interesting site to read about occult symbolism in the media. I think he has a more skeptical attitude than VC:
Thanks for the link!
I'm not sure I buy into the whole Illuminati thing as well…I've been seeing the word tossed around more frequently for the past couple of years, and it peaked my interest, however I think it also goes much deeper, and I'm sure average citizens wouldn't know their true name.
But I as well, wonder how some of these ‘artists’ are obtaining their fame and wealth so fast, when their talent is so mediocre.
Somebody is making it and using it to a sickening degree, and at the same time the population is on the floor, letting themselves be fucking raped everyday. Plus many young girls and women have internalized the pervasive misogyny of these images and motifs to an astonishing, worrisome degree.
This is so true…the blatant targeting of these young girls/women in the media is sick….sending the message that it’s okay for one to dehumanize and over sexualize themselves, just to be considered “cool’. It’s an all-out assault on children now. And is why we see girls younger and younger getting involved in abusive relationships, drinking themselves near death, and becoming sexually promiscuous all for the attention of their male peers.
7:13 PM
July 25, 2011
Offline7:34 PM
June 10, 2011
OfflineYes, Genie. He most certainly does. Sookie wore the doll curls in season 2.
We saw Lorena wearing the flappers headpiece as a necklace in season 3 and we saw Bill gift the flappers necklace to Lorena that night in Chicago.
I have been keeping an eye out for the Los Angels girls jewelry. Perhaps she was glamoured and sent away and that is why we haven't seen her jewelry.
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